In Defense of the White Ribbon
Maybe it's not so much Rick Warren I should be directing my protests toward as all the gays and lesbians who titter at the very serious idea of equality.
Maybe it's not so much Rick Warren I should be directing my protests toward as all the gays and lesbians who titter at the very serious idea of equality.
People like Elisabeth Hasselbeck only like the intervention of judges when it helps them (see "Florida Recount") and, they like to endow The People with more wisdom than reality supports.
How is it that queers became the odd ones out at such a momentous turning point in history? By pushing an agenda of stupid issues like gay marriage.
Pull up a chair and settle in while I spin a yarn about 2008. The story actually begins 20 years into the future (visualize a clock advancing rapidly...
The Rick Warrens of the world pretend that the Bible says marriage is between a man and a woman. But the Bible is full of men taking on second wives, prostitutes and concubines. And all the while, God heartily approves.
Obama would move on -- he'd refuse to be distracted. He'd brush the dirt off his shoulder and immediately return his focus to winning.
Although Prop 8 wasn't exactly a remake of Prop 6, it's the same disaster movie storyline pitch: any recognition of constitutional rights for gay and lesbian citizens will somehow destroy the natural order.
From a strictly legal perspective, it is next to impossible for courts to enforce the separation of church and state in the context of laws like Proposition 8.
I am willing to agree that Rev. Warren is a good guy who said some bad things. I, like you, do trust that communication and cooperation will lead to increased tolerance and progress. I can't forgive Obama, though.
There's something bigger at play here and you can't say Obama didn't warn you. He talked about reaching out, about expanding our politics and that crazy bastard actually meant it.
While I understand the anger from the gay-rights community over the Warren issue, I myself am waiting to see some solid results from Obama before judging him.
I have loved Grey's Anatomy since it started, but things have not been going well lately at Seattle Grace.
The gay marriage issue has intruded so profoundly on gay politics that I am told I should protest the inauguration of Obama, because he invited a minister to say a prayer whose main priorities are climate change, poverty, and AIDS.
Apparently, the only place you can see a girl kissing another girl on MTV nowadays is on The Real World after six tequila shots in the hot tub. Certainly not in the video called, um, "I Kissed a Girl."
Given their history, Mormons know about being targeted for being different. Yet in a full-on offensive, the LDS Church mobilized in favor of California's Prop 8, a ballot initiative that bans gay marriage.
This is a movement of the people that you most fear. It's a movement of progress -- and your words only show how truly desperate you are to maintain control of a world that is changing before your very eyes.
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Why aren't gay people "supporting" polyamory? Because polyamory / group marriage /whatever you call it raises a host of difficult legal and social issues that must be addressed before any discussion can start for whether the US should legally recognize polyamorous relationships.
Marriage establishes kinship. As in "next of kin" the person who can speak for you when you can't, who inherits from you, etc.
In a polyamorous world, who is "next of kin"?
What happens legally if person A , B and C have a legal relationship, then C wants out of A. Where does that leave B and C?
Polygamy has historically been abusive to women, because it involves a powerful man and multiple powerless women. The recent scandals with Jeffs and the Fundy LDS sects in the Southwest do not suggest this is any different in the 21st century than it was in Biblical times.
I could go on, but the you get the idea. The poly proponents need to solve these problems first. On the other hand, no legal changes except the pairings allowed need be made to enact marriage equality for same sex couples. Marriage equality for dyads is not redefining marriage. Multiple marriage does.
Being bisexual doesn't mean having multiple sexual partners. Being bisexual means that you are attracted to both genders, and can therefore form a romantic or sexual relationship with someone of either gender. Bi people don't practice or seek polyamorous relationships any more than anyone else, which I though would have been obvious by this point in time. Unfortunately, it seems like some people still can't get over their stereotypes, whether they be gay or straight.
Lee, I think government should get out of the marriage business altogether. Why should government be a shadow partner in an intimate relationship between consenting adults? It's ridiculous. Our divorce laws (especially as regards alimony, which is a totally anti-feminist construct) are at least two generations out of date now as well.
Issues such as child support and divvying up community property can be determined as matters of contract law where the partners negotiate in good faith before the sprog is born or the home is bought, like a business partnership, and not the current exploitative framework where somebody gets taken to the cleaners in a divorce proceeding and the lawyers involved make a killing.
I'm totally fine with polyamory. Whatever gets you through a weekend. But Government needs to butt out of people's private lives and the churches can do whatever they want in terms of who they will hold ceremonies for without all this sturm and drang over government giving special breaks to married heterosexuals but not to committed gays and lesbian partners.
I support marriage between consenting adults. That could be gay marriage, polyamory, polygamy as long as everyone is of legal age, willing & able. This does not include farm animals or children. They can not consent to a marriage contract. If you are going to have more than one wife at a time, please do not use the welfare system to support your harem.